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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chop

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forker joined by

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the well you all know who he is launch

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trickler the fox muldered my dana scully

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my best friend your best friend

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everyone's best friend

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and the man who runs phantoms and

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monsters mr lon strickler lon how you

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doing tonight big guy

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i'm doing pretty good we went from

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30 inches of snow to mud

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now we got mud yeah that's disgusting i

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hate

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you know they use that term i call it

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snit when the snow turns

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to dusty it's gross it's disgusting when

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it turns into mud and

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yeah you know it's actually supposed to

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get up the 60s here

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tomorrow or the day after i know it's

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disgusting like i don't know what to do

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with this

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oh well we're supposed to survive it i

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guess i guess but it's getting old now

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it is oh i haven't had any snow yet this

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knock on wood yeah let us know at all

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the old ground was gonna come out

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tomorrow

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and he's just gonna screw this and go

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back in yeah

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you're gonna tell you all figure it out

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for yourself yeah i mean i think it's

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great that we put our

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weather fate in the hands of a rodent

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going on the uh groundhog day tradition

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well you know i only ever went up there

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one time

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and i think i was the time i was up

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uh but i was in i was in high school

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and uh we drove up to punxsutawney and

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i never i really don't know why we went

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up there i it was

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the whole week the whole two days three

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ah so it was interesting but

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it wasn't like the movie no it's

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definitely not in fact i have a good

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friend

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uncle jimmy in punxsutawney he ankle

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jimmy he lives in

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in punxsutawney and uh most of it he

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said was uh

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embellished from what it's actually like

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but he said the movie was great for the

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town

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yeah ah boy so what's going on this week

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oh not much you know my grandfather's

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not doing too well so

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between uh you know actually working and

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starting this business of my wife's

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which is doing phenomenally well don't

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get me wrong

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it's just been an awful lot and uh you

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know everything's in the hands

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of the gods out of our hands but uh

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other than that one not a whole lot i

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haven't been able to get on a

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a whole and do a whole lot in terms of

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uh reading and and doing the uh

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paranormal digs so i'm kind of relying

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on you to bring me the good stuff

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tonight

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well it's been i don't know it's been

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kind of an odd off in one week

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it's uh um they've been some decent

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all in all you know it's been kind of

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par for the course dumb

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uh i i did get a few oddball

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stories uh this week in fact

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there was one there was like a flying

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and near mount fuji in japan

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and then i had another story from a

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it was an abduction lost time down in

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the u.s virgin islands so

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it was kind of off the continental

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united states

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for what i'm going to talk about but you

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know we'll be talking about a lot of

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creatures and creepy things

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uh this week because we've got our

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friend jay bakuchin coming on

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and uh the truthologist that's what he

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wants to call himself that's what he

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calls himself that truthologist

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and uh maybe we'll catch up with him to

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see what he's been up to

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you know we're always offer always after

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find the truth and i'm glad jay's gonna

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be joining us tonight jay's a good guy

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great stories to talk about he's out

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there in wisconsin so

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you know that wisconsin besides the

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cheese is a pretty interesting place

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yeah well you know he's been you know of

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working a little bit with uh linda

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godfrey as well

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yeah he's he's had his uh

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he's had his encounters also so uh

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yeah so you know a half hour we'll

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have jay on here we'll talk about a few

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things yeah excited to talk to jay it's

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had an opportunity to sit down and

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talk shop with one of our good friends

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and the course lawn you know we always

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appreciate that opportunity

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yeah it's it's almost like an open mic

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we talk about the weird stuff that's out

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you know that's what we do and uh

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speaking of weird stuff

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how about x-files this week oh my god i

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was just going to segue there with that

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enjoyed it i watched it with uh with the

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family before i left to come down to the

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and uh i told you for as we got as soon

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as we got on the horn tonight i said lon

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that did you watch them so it was

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uh weird stuff i thought it was a

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top-notch grade a episode

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yeah my son you know i asked my son he

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i thought it was really good got some

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it was like the play on the werewolf but

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it was it kind of reversed and then ends

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that's hybrid that's getting ready to go

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to hibernate for ten thousand years it's

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strange story

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only a couple more episodes to go i

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think three more there's a six episode

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mini series but i'm hoping it opens it

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for a uh another opportunity for a

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i don't know if it's in the cards but i

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getting stuck in some of these series

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that they really have no idea what's

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assurances that it's going to be long

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term instead of just a little

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here and little there and um i don't

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they're keeping it very quiet and uh

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lot of story line there that they could

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expound on oh yeah you know i just went

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and you're talking about really story

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uh dramatic dramatic stories the seven

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to make it feel good

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and to get people's pallets wet for you

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expanded universe there that they could

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universe star wars uh disney announced

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that they had no plans of stopping

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on uh stars star wars material even

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coming they spend four billion dollars

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be economically viable they're going to

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keep it going well look how much money

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the first one's made so far

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absolutely and that's not even counting

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action figures books and all that other

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jazz let alone the next

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five movies that they have coming out

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it's a money maker and i don't

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understand why they'd want to stop but i

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make as much money from it as i can and

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but if i spent that much money on a

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franchise i'd love to milk it for every

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cent it's worth myself

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now on the other hand they take finding

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bigfoot and did check things finally i

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had to be happy

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as i like those guys personally bobo and

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it was a bummer

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i um how many seasons has that been now

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more i don't know i just it gets

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confusing when they

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a new episode and i don't know it

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it lost all its appeal to me so if you

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soul bigfoot documentaries i go back to

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not but the travel channel had a

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documentary on called bigfootville

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i love youtube by the way for you know

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rare hard to find uh

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videos do you remember that hokie one up

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ended years ago

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incident in lake county the alien

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abduction

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yeah that was cool and i and i watched

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that on youtube

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uh not too long ago i really enjoyed it

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a lot of fun

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i i did get a a an unusual report this

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week uh

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here we go you know i got this from a

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guy in australia actually

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but he said sir i'm writing on behalf of

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a business friend

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who i visited in september 2015.

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now he lives in tokyo japan wow

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[Music]

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he told me of an incident that occurred

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while he and his fiancee

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traveled to mount fujiyama kamataki

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shrine say that again i'm kidding

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they had both been at the shrine and the

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other local

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sites throughout the day now while they

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were leaving the parking lot

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they both noticed the strange looking

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man

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crouched down by a tree near the edge of

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the forest

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now my friend slowed down his car

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as they continued to watch his men the

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forest was dark

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but they could see a halo of red light

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over his head

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now about that time he turned and stood

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up

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instantly a pair of large dark

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butterfly wings sprung open from his

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back

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and he shot up into the canopy as it

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ascended

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they noticed the wings reflected light

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they then noticed that two older women

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had been watching this man as well

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and who screamed and ran away towards a

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nearby building

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other people then reacted to the screams

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and were looking towards the forest

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my friend did not stay and drove off

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they were both frightened and his

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fiancee cried most of the way

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home i was shocked by this encounter and

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started

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to look on the internet at the return

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home to new south wales

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i then read about the mothman incidents

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and other strange winged humanoids

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i talked to my friend and he said that

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someone had told him the same thing

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and that it had been seen in japan could

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you offer an explanation

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thanks jan uh

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i sent an email to jan asking for more

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details

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and if possible he you know if he had

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any

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that he mentioned to his that his friend

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was worried about

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mentioning this being to others and

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his fiancee seemed to believe that this

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was an evil woman

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concerning mount fuji impossible dies

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excuse me disaster like mothman type

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deal

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yeah i remembered a witness or two who

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stated that a mothman like being

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had been seen before the 2011 japan

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earthquake tsunami

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fukushima fukushima yeah yeah and

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i i put in with the story i posted in

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an article of the from the witness who

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stated that he had seen this thing

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so uh yeah i mean

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yeah all in all it sounded like a moth

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fan type thing

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um it's been nice if dave took a picture

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of it

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i don't know if they had got much of a

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picture in it would be as dark as it was

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in the woods

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you know that's one thing we always get

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long is why don't folk take folks take

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pictures

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of these things and i don't know about

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you but if it's something strange like

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that

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and kind of scary i don't know if the

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first reaction of mine is to oh my god

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let me get a picture with my iphone

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well you know i agree with you because

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you know i talk to a lot of people

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i you know in converse but a lot of

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people

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that have these encounters and normally

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it's not the first thing it hits their

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mind

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and uh

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and of course you're being the

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investigator or someone taking their

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questions

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and it's the first thing i think of but

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of course if i was in that situation who

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knows

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i don't know if i'd want to do that or

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not you know i'm telling you i'm an

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investigator and i probably wouldn't

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think to take a picture

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well that's that's you know it that

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happens all the time

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you know you have an instance like this

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where you see something in front of you

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and i i think there's times that even

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while investigating you still don't

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expect to see anything

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so when it happens you're like well some

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[\h__\h] look what just happened and and

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you know when do you cognizantly take

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that opportunity to

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to snap the photo that's why i think

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people with wearable cameras like the

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gopros and whatnot

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might be more suitable for what we're

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trying to do but then you're still very

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limited with battery life

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and here we go into the technological

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technological aspects of it but

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you know you're still limited by uh

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being prepared by the length of battery

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that you have

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so you don't know unless you plan on

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taking 40 hours for the gopro

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gopro batteries with you and that's a

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yeah i don't um so i don't know you know

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if

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mount fuji erupts the next couple months

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and

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maybe it was a malt man that's weird man

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i

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around september 11th

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uh you know to say nothing of going back

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to the

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the silver silver bridge silver river

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bridge

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get that right

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and and who knows how if we go back

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through recorded history if these things

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have been seen in other events

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well i mean i've had i had a train

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explosion

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that i wrote about happened back in the

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30s

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uh in the west virginia mountains it was

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in a coal mine

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and uh they ate the guys

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a lot of the guys that were on the train

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or

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had seen a mothman and uh

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the next day they had this train

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explosion killed down on the 16 people

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um and there have been other instances i

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even

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chernobyl chernobyl supposedly there was

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a

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incident do you remember me

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doing that uh i don't so give it another

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whirl if they have forgive us folks

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we're human

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well i got this

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i got this email from a witness down in

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saint croix

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so here here we go and see what you

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think about it

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over the past three weeks i've had

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continued contact

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by email and telephone with a 32 year

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old singing

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mother named sally who resides in

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western saint croix island

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in the territory of the u.s virgin

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islands now

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sally originally contacted me through an

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email

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and described unusual incidents that she

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experienced during the past three years

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now each of these experiences consists

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of lost time or an abduction

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event which occur during the day in the

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evenings when she's home from work

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you know she's the supervisor of one of

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the resorts

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offering you know those resorts opera

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tropical paradise getaways she

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um and not be specific

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even though many of our her friends and

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staff are aware of the situation

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now most the abduction episodes occur in

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the evening while she's

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at home doing house household chores

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the uh the duration of the lost time

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varies but it's usually

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for 30 minutes to an hour now one

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particular incident lasted for

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several hours which frightened her

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because her child was alone and

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vulnerable

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since that episode her close friend now

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lives with her and drives her back and

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forth to work

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her friend bibi verified to me

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that sally actually disappears during

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these lost time episodes

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and in fact she stated that her and

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sally

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were in the kitchen cooking dinner one

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evening

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and sally simply vanished

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about 20 minutes later bibi found sally

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laying on the floor by the couch in the

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living room

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she was slightly disoriented but able to

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speak and stand up

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bibi witnessed a similar episode when

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sally

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had a very bad cold with a fever and was

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in bed

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bibi went to check on her about 8 30 pm

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and sally was gone about five minutes

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later she heard sally calling for her

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and found sally nude and shivering in

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the living room

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phoebe had no explanation for these

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incidents and squares

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there's no possible way that sally is

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scheming

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as soon as the abduction would start

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sally said

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that she would see a bright flash of

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light

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bibi states that she never witnessed a

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bright flash

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during an ordeal sally says that she was

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always laying face down

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and nude in a wet cold surface

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she is confined somehow to unable and

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unable to move

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her face is placed in an opening on the

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surface

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which restrict her from seeing anything

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her ears are covered by some kind of

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device

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that emits a humming sound each time

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a sharp object most likely a needle is

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inserted in her right

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buttocks and left calf there's no pain

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but there is an uncomfortable pressure

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around the injection point

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then later a sickening sweet taste in

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her mouth

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as soon as those procedures are

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performed

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she has returned there have been no

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marks found anywhere in her body

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sally also mentioned that she had a deep

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cut

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on her hand from a broken dish which

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required six stitches

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the next evening the next evening she

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was taken

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and when she returned the wound was

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completely healed

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now sally says that her overall health

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has been excellent throughout

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the ordeal she also states that she no

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longer suffers from psoriasis

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on her back which she had since she was

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a child

568
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,320
none of the abductions have occurred

569
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,080
while sally was sleeping

570
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,559
or in the presence of her young child

571
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,640
who is usually sleeping or taking a nap

572
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,320
at the time

573
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,200
there have been there have not been any

574
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,360
episodes during the time

575
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,159
when sally has been her her job or

576
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:46,880
anywhere outside of her home

577
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,840
she has never seen any of her captors

578
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:50,480
there have

579
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:53,919
also been a few abductions where she

580
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,280
has not noticed any lost time at all

581
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:59,440
sally estimates that she's been abducted

582
00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:02,159
approximately 28 times

583
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:05,720
since the first episode on december 5th

584
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,840
2013. during the three weeks i had been

585
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,520
conversing with sally

586
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,919
there have not been any lost time

587
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,840
induction

588
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,120
episodes i don't attribute this to

589
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,640
anything i've done

590
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,960
and according to sally there have been

591
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,760
time gaps

592
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:24,480
up to two months since these events

593
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,600
started

594
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,320
it took several conversations with sally

595
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:30,159
for her to begin feeling comfortable

596
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,120
with me

597
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,440
which i understand and appreciate she

598
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,360
was appreciate she was informed from the

599
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,159
beginning

600
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,080
that was not only my objective to

601
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,080
determine and possibly help her

602
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,880
with her situation but it was also able

603
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,039
to tell her story on the blog

604
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,280
which she eventually agreed to i will

605
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,799
continue to monitor this case

606
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,679
update any changes uh your comments are

607
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:52,640
welcome now

608
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:56,240
this is this case this is one i've been

609
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,909
i've only ever talked to her twice most

610
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,640
of everything

611
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,480
i have talked to her about has been by

612
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,760
email

613
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,880
this is i

614
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,520
i guess i've been helping her with this

615
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,520
for approximately

616
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:18,080
six months now and so far in that six

617
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,880
months

618
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,039
there hasn't been any you know any other

619
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:24,240
incidents now i don't know what happened

620
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,039
but uh it's an it's an interesting case

621
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,600
i i'm going by what she's telling me i

622
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,720
have no way of proving any of this

623
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,840
uh most of

624
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,840
the information i have been told was by

625
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:41,840
her friend

626
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,440
bibi but uh

627
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,120
i'm putting i just put it out there as

628
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,320
it was you know as i was told so

629
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,080
you know we'll see if that's you know

630
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,880
see if anything else comes up you can't

631
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,640
do any more than that right just report

632
00:23:03,190 --> 00:22:59,760
it

633
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,200
of anything

634
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,840
basically just talking to her on

635
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:06,720
occasion

636
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:10,400
emails back to her

637
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,909
because i had an incident not long ago

638
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,520
that kind of mirrored a little bit of

639
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,280
what she's been going through and i

640
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:25,120
don't and i really have questions about

641
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,240
it

642
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,080
uh in fact i don't really want to go

643
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,679
into it a whole lot

644
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,159
though i have talked to butch about it

645
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,000
i've talked to a few other people about

646
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,360
i'm trying to figure out really what

647
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,200
happened well how many uh

648
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:40,240
abduction cases have you investigated oh

649
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:41,200
i've had a few

650
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:45,039
yeah yeah you know i had a couple before

651
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:45,600
i had

652
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:49,360
the big one with david uh david eckhart

653
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,430
probably seven or eight

654
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,320
seven or eight cases that people wanted

655
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,679
me to help them with

656
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:04,720
wow yeah i mean and i'm no expert at it

657
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:05,200
you know

658
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,720
just a bit ago i i think i was actually

659
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:11,679
involved with something

660
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,279
not long ago and i don't know

661
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,840
why all of a sudden i'm still trying to

662
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,760
get some facts put together

663
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,320
trying to understand what happened to me

664
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,320
um

665
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,679
i don't know you know i don't i don't

666
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:27,840
know if it's it's because of

667
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,039
you know working with people or

668
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,960
you know i have had other instances in

669
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,360
the past and uh

670
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:38,320
uh you know it's nothing really major

671
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:38,799
but i

672
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,159
i will say one thing i'd never as far as

673
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:45,360
any type if it was induction or any type

674
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,080
of encounter

675
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,720
other than here i don't want to remember

676
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:50,080
any entities

677
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,240
yeah so yeah but it's something i may

678
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,400
talk about down the road i may write up

679
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,200
about but right now i'm just not gonna

680
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,400
i don't know if it's something i

681
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:02,799
actually want to get into because that

682
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,400
concept scares me well

683
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,440
i tell you i of course i had never

684
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:12,159
remember going through anything like

685
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:12,880
this

686
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,480
but i will tell you one thing during one

687
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,679
point of this

688
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,799
incident i was probably as frightened

689
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,080
as i ever have been and i will admit to

690
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,360
that

691
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,720
i mean i thought i bought the farm wow

692
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,840
yeah and you know it really shook me up

693
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,799
and uh that's why i'm kind of con you

694
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,760
know

695
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,080
concerned and interested in what

696
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,000
actually happened

697
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:42,400
and uh until you know until i get more

698
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,039
information

699
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,559
until i i talk to some other people

700
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,679
who have some experience in this

701
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,960
you know even though i have helped

702
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,880
people with theirs i

703
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,679
want to get a few more you know a few

704
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,279
more opinions on

705
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,480
what exactly i remember and uh you know

706
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,360
go from there yeah definitely that's

707
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,640
just something i don't know i don't feel

708
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,919
like i'm prepared to deal with something

709
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:07,200
like that yet

710
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,679
bigfoot's enough for me i don't know

711
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,880
that's a good point um you know in

712
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,080
david's instance

713
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:19,840
you know it's been an ordeal for him

714
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,440
and his family for well i mean

715
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:26,080
it was 10 years when i started in on it

716
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,279
and he still has

717
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:30,960
occasional uh encounters and

718
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,720
visitations and uh

719
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,640
you know it it's it's one of those

720
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:38,000
things that

721
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,360
you know i have talked to him about it

722
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,200
before and i you know i put a few things

723
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:42,880
in the book about it

724
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,159
but uh it may actually require me

725
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,480
doing a whole book on one time uh i

726
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,720
don't know i i've been thinking about it

727
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,120
but they're just so much

728
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,720
you really don't know if you really want

729
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:56,720
to go into it let's put it that way

730
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,919
it's just so much weird stuff but

731
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,320
there's a lot of stuff in there

732
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:05,039
a lot of things that happen that you

733
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,000
really want to

734
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,159
put it out there because uh

735
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,480
i don't want to be freaking everybody

736
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,840
yeah most definitely dude

737
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,880
all right i feel you well it's that time

738
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,080
i think we ought to bring jay on the

739
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,600
program what do you

740
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,440
i think so let's step back we're going

741
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,039
to take a minute folks uh

742
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,159
when we come back mr j bachojan from

743
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:29,279
wpi hunts the truth stay tuned right

744
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,320
after this

745
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,640
no music just dead silence so smoke him

746
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,840
if you got them

747
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,240
get a drink let's go out to the kitchen

748
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,000
and grab ourselves a snack

749
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,840
all right folks and we're back arcane

750
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,760
radio sean forker launched strickler and

751
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,360
our guest tonight mr j

752
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,600
bachochen did i say it right jay you

753
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,120
sure did how about that

754
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,520
all right i didn't bang it up all right

755
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,559
so jay

756
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,440
uh wpi hunts the truth you do a little

757
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,720
bit of everything you consider yourself

758
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,399
a truthologist

759
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,320
and explain to our listeners what a

760
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,000
truthologist actually is

761
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,799
and what you feel it to be well uh

762
00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:05,120
honestly i never considered myself

763
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,840
uh a ghost hunter or a ufologist or a

764
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,480
cryptozoologist

765
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:13,440
um it's basically everything across the

766
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,240
whole

767
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:17,200
uh spectrum of the uh the paranormal or

768
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:18,000
the uh

769
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,880
i've always taken

770
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,320
the uh the approach of

771
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:31,039
what is the truth i mean we can see it

772
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,760
on tv

773
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,480
you know we can look on youtube or or

774
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,880
google or take anybody's claims

775
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,600
but for me it wasn't until i actually

776
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,559
got myself

777
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,679
out there to discover uh you know

778
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:45,520
what these truths are you know see if

779
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,230
i hate when i hit the mute button i'm

780
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,520
sorry excellent

781
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,120
you already muted me there sean i'm

782
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,360
muting me because you know

783
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,919
this microphone is so silent you can

784
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,440
hear everything

785
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,080
yeah i can i actually i can almost hear

786
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,159
an echo in the background that's how

787
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,600
oh it's picking up that's just me being

788
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,679
so loud i'm intensely loud i'm so

789
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,960
excited about

790
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,799
about the show tonight dude because we

791
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,399
wanted to have you on for some time and

792
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,000
it finally worked out

793
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,840
and now that we got the truthologist

794
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,200
stuff away

795
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:27,039
uh you know a lot of things that you do

796
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,559
and it's not just a solo effort right

797
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,880
you got a group of you together

798
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,440
yeah you know what uh i started off with

799
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:34,320
a very

800
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:38,159
fairly large group back in uh 2007

801
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,600
2008 um you know as in some groups go

802
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,279
they kind of uh

803
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,120
teammates come and go and they still

804
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,320
remain friends

805
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,600
um but it wasn't until 2014 that i'm

806
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,720
pretty much going um on a solo

807
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,200
base with this and networking with other

808
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,640
great researchers so

809
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,840
it's really really worked out and wpi

810
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:02,000
hunts the truth has really evolved over

811
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:09,029
hey jay now you sent this a video over

812
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,399
to uh

813
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,159
shawn and i the other day you called the

814
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,840
creeper yeah

815
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,760
now you're over in the kettle moran area

816
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,120
and i you know i've talked to linda

817
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,320
about kettle moran

818
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,760
a couple of times and i know it's a

819
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,360
creepy place

820
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:24,720
what's the creeper about well i have

821
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,039
been

822
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,960
researching this certain area in a

823
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,799
kettle moraine for

824
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,520
uh it's been going on three years and i

825
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,720
am going to the

826
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,840
same area now it's not that i just love

827
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,720
night hikes

828
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,960
and to go out in the wilderness you know

829
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,480
of course i do

830
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:43,600
um but each time i wouldn't say each

831
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,480
time maybe

832
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,559
every other time or whatnot i'm i'm

833
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,720
actually stumbling across

834
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,600
uh you know whether it's prints or or

835
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,880
wood knocks

836
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,279
or vocalizations just things i can't

837
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,279
explain i mean they're classic

838
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,880
uh bigfoot activity yet i have not

839
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,080
seen who's made the print who knocked uh

840
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,240
who made the vocals you know

841
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,559
um going out with looking at that one

842
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,159
video that was actually taken in august

843
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:11,760
of 2014

844
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:14,960
i was out there with uh uh

845
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,159
kevin of my brother-in-law and uh

846
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,000
we're basically doing the same thing we

847
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,279
normally do

848
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,000
and if you guys watch that video which

849
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,679
is actually on my um

850
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,480
on my youtube channel you will actually

851
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,679
hear

852
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,360
something um fairly large

853
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,600
that actually is moving and actually

854
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,720
circling us

855
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,399
that's actually probably one of the most

856
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,240
hair-raising times i have

857
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,360
had a couple since 2007 but

858
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,880
you see me in the video i'm actually

859
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,760
taking a um kind of a selfie testimony

860
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,200
when this is going on

861
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,200
and i forget the cameras on my face so

862
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,559
you can actually almost see the fear in

863
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,640
my face as this is kind of going on

864
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,640
i can tell you from experience that's no

865
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,000
fun

866
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:01,360
well right i mean it is well it was

867
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
august

868
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,919
and um you know so you got heavy

869
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,120
greenery

870
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:07,519
and we heard this thing actually

871
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,240
stepping

872
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,480
around us as did you ever see that uh

873
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,399
the movie desperado where

874
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,240
he would walk through the shadow and

875
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,679
before his face would be shown

876
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,840
another shadow would hit his face well i

877
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,840
always refer to this as the desperado as

878
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:20,960
well as the creeper

879
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,159
it was almost visible and just as you

880
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,279
think you could see it it's not there

881
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,039
and we're checking it out again and all

882
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,880
of a sudden it's coming from right where

883
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,679
we were at

884
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,360
and kind of flanking us on the left and

885
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,360
circling from behind

886
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,519
so you know whether you could sit there

887
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:39,519
and say okay it was a

888
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,039
a big foot or a dog man or

889
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,559
a wolf or you know a cougar um

890
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,760
that's actually what i'm trying to

891
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,240
figure out is uh

892
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,519
these certain things when you're out

893
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,799
when you're out in the woods it's

894
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:54,480
uncontrolled it's an uncontrolled

895
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,360
environment

896
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,360
you're out there with nature and you

897
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,200
really don't know

898
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,760
um actually what it is until you see it

899
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,440
but in this case whatever it was

900
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:06,080
was actually it was circling us it was

901
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,039
it's kind of freaky

902
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,840
yeah it's a frightening experience and i

903
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,080
mean

904
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,000
like you said you don't know what it is

905
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,600
but because there's a lot of variables

906
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,360
there it could be a lot of things

907
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,120
but even some of the more known things

908
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,559
that are out there you still don't want

909
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:20,000
circling you

910
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:23,360
oh exactly i mean the the dnr out here

911
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:23,760
in

912
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,159
yeah i i beg to differ because actually

913
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:37,840
it was about um

914
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,039
i think it was a last uh february uh

915
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,399
linda and i were

916
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
out uh out in the kettle we came across

917
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,720
some fairly nice size uh cougar tracks

918
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,919
in the snow

919
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,120
um so they they they are out here

920
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,399
um but now you know i i tried to

921
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,760
try to debunk this thing all right if

922
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,600
it's a cougar aren't cougars a little

923
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:58,960
more stealthier

924
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,159
um you know you know sitting in trees or

925
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,919
waiting for the meal to walk by to

926
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,279
pounce on them

927
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,679
um and these are the type of things i do

928
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,879
i mean i spend

929
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,359
countless hours out in the field but you

930
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,280
know i also spend a lot of countless

931
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,399
hours researching and um you know

932
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,599
trying to learn calls tracks behaviors

933
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,440
of animals

934
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,079
just so that i can try to classify this

935
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,079
as as an unknown

936
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,000
and in fact that's where i'm at right

937
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,520
now i call it the creeper because

938
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:31,119
whatever it was it was creeping around

939
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,919
us but

940
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,040
i can't tell you what it was yeah

941
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:37,040
have you um have you guys been

942
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,320
experiencing

943
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,520
any of these uh these koi walls up that

944
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,399
area

945
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,679
you know what i have not um

946
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:48,079
and that actually i i just listened to

947
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,879
you on the uh

948
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,599
the other show on eric's show um when

949
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,440
you guys were talking about this

950
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:56,320
um about the skinwalkers and the dogman

951
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:56,960
um but

952
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,240
not that anything has really

953
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,960
you know been been known well actually i

954
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,480
should say about two weeks ago

955
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,520
uh one of my friends up in palmyra um

956
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,839
actually was driving her car and she

957
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,960
actually said

958
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,680
she almost hit the biggest wolf she'd

959
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,720
seen

960
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,880
and um you know depending on what kind

961
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,480
that is again i'm getting this you know

962
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,599
secondhand

963
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,680
but again you know being a you know

964
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:24,079
native to this area you you kind of know

965
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:24,800
your

966
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
i i take a word on it so you know is

967
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,240
there these big wolves running around

968
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:35,440
here i

969
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:38,640
i don't know i mean possibly

970
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,920
well i mean for the most part the koi

971
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:42,960
walls that

972
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,880
are being seen in pa or uh

973
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:49,119
and and also other areas in fact i've

974
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:49,920
talked to people

975
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,119
and seen them up in maine and you know a

976
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,960
few other areas

977
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:57,680
uh i mean they look a lot like a coyote

978
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,000
you know

979
00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:00,320
but they do have that wolf look to them

980
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,040
and

981
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,400
bigger

982
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,440
and thicker tail and uh

983
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:10,240
they are somewhat aggressive right

984
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,560
because

985
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,560
you know coyote isn't really that

986
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,960
aggressive unless it's you know it's

987
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,800
you know they're going after food or

988
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,160
something or something that's already

989
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,000
been killed or scavenged

990
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,040
but uh as far as

991
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:26,320
walking up on somebody and just standing

992
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,280
its ground

993
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:30,720
that's unusual for a coyote right

994
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,160
i you know and apparently that's that's

995
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,560
a lot of what's going on so i was

996
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,920
interested if you guys have been

997
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,880
experiencing that up there

998
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,200
yeah not not anything to i mean you know

999
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,800
we here are coyotes actually i could

1000
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:46,240
walk out my back door

1001
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,359
as a matter of fact last night i

1002
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,560
recorded uh just packs of them two

1003
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:53,440
two sets they were just going crazy and

1004
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,240
it's like

1005
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,680
you know you see your subdivision and

1006
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,280
they're just there

1007
00:37:01,109 --> 00:37:00,400
you know so uh but as far you know as

1008
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,119
far as

1009
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:03,359
the wolves themselves know that nothing

1010
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,160
i'm aware of

1011
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,359
at least nobody's reporting them

1012
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,160
okay yeah i was just interested i i

1013
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,760
didn't know what um

1014
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,400
what you guys were running into now you

1015
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,920
you mentioned linda

1016
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,040
um now i know you and linda were

1017
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,480
investigating this about what about a

1018
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:23,520
year ago this

1019
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,040
uh this candid type odd thing

1020
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,280
i don't know it was a dog man or a type

1021
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,280
of wolf or whatever

1022
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,359
uh you know what i'm talking about could

1023
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,480
you explain what

1024
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,880
you guys were going after that time well

1025
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,680
you know what i

1026
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,200
would i would love to but this is

1027
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,520
actually uh part of linda's research

1028
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:44,160
okay and um you know with that i

1029
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:44,720
definitely

1030
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,160
yes i respect her research and keep her

1031
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,960
confidentiality with her clients but uh

1032
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,720
but yes i mean you you're you're on the

1033
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,920
right track because i know that you've

1034
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,839
talked to both of us on that

1035
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,560
yeah yeah it seems like it's something

1036
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,240
unusual i uh

1037
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,720
you know i since you know butch and i

1038
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,960
have been working on this thing in pa

1039
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,960
with the dog man and stuff uh you know a

1040
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:09,440
lot of sightings up here

1041
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,359
lot of weird sightings too

1042
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,839
and uh you know we're just comparing

1043
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:17,520
notes now because any type of

1044
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,160
information

1045
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,800
we can get that you know can kind of

1046
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,800
help us hone down to what we're running

1047
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,440
into

1048
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,119
or what what people are reporting well

1049
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,359
exactly and the thing is i know that you

1050
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,960
know you get um

1051
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,880
you know the great deal of the reports

1052
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,560
as well as linda does out here in

1053
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,520
wisconsin

1054
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,800
um i've also started up with um my own

1055
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,200
little uh reported campaign

1056
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,920
um because i mean right now i'm not real

1057
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,000
writing any books or blogging or

1058
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,599
anything like that this is actually kind

1059
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,160
of

1060
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,320
hunting the truth

1061
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,560
and to be able to help you know validate

1062
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:56,240
the people that are seeing these to be

1063
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,800
able to come

1064
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,359
forward uh you know without any judgment

1065
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,000
because

1066
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,520
believe me this the stuff that i'm

1067
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,040
seeing out in the kettle

1068
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,079
doesn't just stop with a creeper

1069
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,720
or what you think a bigfoot would be

1070
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:10,480
we're getting a little bit on the side

1071
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,800
of the

1072
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,000
the paranormal side of um of

1073
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,280
being able to witness uh actual white

1074
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,320
orbs

1075
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,280
out in the woods with this activity

1076
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,800
being around

1077
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,040
um i've only seen it three times in the

1078
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,240
past three years but

1079
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,880
it's fascinating actually um uh the last

1080
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,160
time that uh mary

1081
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,200
me and mary marshall of paranormal md

1082
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,520
uh she actually has been networking and

1083
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,599
uh with me and researching getting her

1084
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,480
away from the

1085
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,040
the uh the city ghost hunts getting her

1086
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,000
out in the woods looking

1087
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,200
for a you know a nine foot creature but

1088
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,119
uh the last time we were out there we

1089
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,040
saw an amazing

1090
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,079
display of these white

1091
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,359
like they were like kind of a dull fused

1092
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,440
wall of lights that were kind of just

1093
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,760
popping high and low

1094
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,040
um it was just crazy and the thing is we

1095
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,760
we didn't film it it was dark but we're

1096
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,680
just sitting there in awe of what's

1097
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,880
going on but

1098
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,319
after she saw them that actually

1099
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,640
validates uh some things that me and

1100
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,400
some other researchers have seen over

1101
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,839
the past couple years

1102
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:18,800
um in a different area but the same

1103
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:19,599
neighboring

1104
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:23,119
kettle um and we we can't explain them

1105
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,000
we don't know

1106
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,720
what we're what we're dealing with now

1107
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,680
um

1108
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,839
you know is this uh you know native

1109
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,880
american

1110
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,240
you know burial mounds or is this um

1111
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,079
you know you hear the theories of

1112
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:37,839
portals even though their

1113
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,440
hypothesis you know and now proven um

1114
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,960
we don't know what we're dealing with

1115
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,640
but that's why we keep going out there

1116
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,040
with

1117
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,119
all of our different pieces of equipment

1118
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,560
is to uh just

1119
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,480
keep peeling that onion you know see

1120
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,640
what we can find

1121
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,640
well you know i think a lot of

1122
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,240
researchers can kind of verify

1123
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:58,480
that as well because well and i just

1124
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,359
think of the area

1125
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,119
where p.a pennsylvania bigfoot um

1126
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,480
has a research up there in rockton

1127
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,960
and uh some of the stuff that they told

1128
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,880
me of that they've seen up there

1129
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,640
and some other areas of people that

1130
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,480
experience all kinds of different

1131
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,160
phenomena in one area

1132
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,760
i mean they'd be out there bigfoot

1133
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,440
hunting and

1134
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,760
they've got the typical bigfoot sign

1135
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,200
stuff being thrown and

1136
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,599
this and that but then they they start

1137
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:27,119
seeing lights

1138
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,200
uh other phenomena weird sounds

1139
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,960
shadows the lights are reported a lot

1140
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,760
actually but yet but but yet it doesn't

1141
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,599
seem like a lot of people

1142
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:42,240
want to talk about it it seems like the

1143
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,800
ghost

1144
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,720
people don't want to talk to the ufo

1145
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,480
people the ufo people don't want to talk

1146
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,160
to the crypto zoologist

1147
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,000
you know it's kind of this circle where

1148
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,440
we're all studying

1149
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,280
pretty much the truth we're trying to

1150
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,800
get to the bottom of it

1151
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,280
but yet nobody wants to collaborate

1152
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,400
these efforts

1153
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,720
to see if is it possible that they're

1154
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,000
all connected

1155
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,760
you know i mean everything from ghosts

1156
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,200
to ufos to cryptids

1157
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,599
well i can say you know with a certain

1158
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:09,200
amount of uh

1159
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,560
you know authority that a lot of

1160
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,400
researchers in pennsylvania

1161
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,640
that investigate bigfoot they

1162
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,960
investigate the whole spectrum

1163
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,400
but then you get a lot of research in

1164
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,480
pennsylvania that you know you go

1165
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,079
outside the state and you don't talk to

1166
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:23,599
another researcher from pennsylvania

1167
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,480
they're like hmm

1168
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,839
you know some of those pennsylvanians

1169
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,160
are a little nuts stan gordon

1170
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,640
gets that a lot and stan is probably one

1171
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,480
of the most respected researchers in

1172
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,079
terms of his approach and

1173
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,560
for the tenure you know over 50 years of

1174
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,480
researching these phenomena

1175
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,200
and uh he still leaves it open to

1176
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,119
interpretation he'll never say that's

1177
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,280
what it is he'll hint he'll suggest

1178
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,440
but he'll never come out and say it you

1179
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,560
know even myself

1180
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,960
i kind of like to keep all these

1181
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,599
different

1182
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:54,079
uh facets separate i don't like to

1183
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:54,800
connect them

1184
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,079
i i just personally uh you know like to

1185
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,760
keep each one of my categories set

1186
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,680
separate but there's some times where i

1187
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,119
scratch my head and wonder

1188
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,359
hmm is there a connection with some of

1189
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,480
these things

1190
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,119
exactly i'm right there with you it's i

1191
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,760
i like to keep everything as

1192
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,720
realistically and unknown it's so easy

1193
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,520
to say

1194
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,640
it's classic bigfoot activity right so

1195
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,319
let's label it bigfoot but

1196
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,079
you know i guess not until you

1197
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,720
personally are standing in front of

1198
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:27,359
you know the supposed myth to be able to

1199
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,160
say

1200
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,920
okay i see you you are there now

1201
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,880
that opens up another can of worms of

1202
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,160
questions of

1203
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,480
what are you where did you come from

1204
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,160
right you know you you

1205
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,000
can discover it and say yeah it's it

1206
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,599
does exist i mean

1207
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,760
all these claims all over the world land

1208
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,440
you can you can vouch for it i mean

1209
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,839
everybody who's sending you reports or

1210
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,440
or to linda i mean we're not

1211
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,079
they're not all crazy or they can't be

1212
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,599
all misidentifications

1213
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,640
some could sure but not all of them

1214
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,079
you know and that that's where i'm kind

1215
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,160
of stuck right now is

1216
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,920
these are all possibilities it's that

1217
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,200
poster on the wall

1218
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,599
on the x-files i want to believe and i

1219
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:09,280
and i'm and i'm there with you i want to

1220
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,079
believe

1221
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,839
but sometimes i see i need something

1222
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:14,800
more than just my desire

1223
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,400
right i i i i will say

1224
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,640
as opposed to what i used to get years

1225
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,520
and years ago

1226
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:24,319
as far as citing reports and witness

1227
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,599
reports and accounts

1228
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,800
um there is a mixed bag now and a lot of

1229
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:30,400
stuff i get in fact you know it's just

1230
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:30,720
not

1231
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,319
several phenomena several different

1232
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,560
types of phenomena at one time

1233
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:41,119
uh it's not your standard well i saw

1234
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,680
this

1235
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,880
and that was it there's always for the

1236
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,520
most

1237
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,040
or something else tied to it and uh

1238
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,880
you know that's that's the reason why i

1239
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,160
do believe

1240
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,240
that there there is a there's a thread

1241
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,720
to a lot of this i mean uh

1242
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,560
you know just like me i was going back

1243
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,000
to what i was saying about rockton i

1244
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,599
mean those guys have been up there and

1245
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:03,200
they have experienced so many weird

1246
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,079
things up there

1247
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,400
i have it's a hot zone yeah i know you

1248
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,240
have and uh it's a hot zone

1249
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,319
and it's just like a lot of other places

1250
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,520
that

1251
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,440
you know we have investigator places

1252
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,240
that we plan to investigate this year

1253
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,560
that the phenomena isn't just one thing

1254
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:19,839
it's several things

1255
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,880
i have to tell you and for the most part

1256
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,280
there has also been a lot of activity as

1257
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:28,000
far as ufo and unexplained

1258
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,640
uh aerial phenomena that is starting to

1259
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,000
tie into these things people are

1260
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,400
noticing it as well

1261
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,800
so uh i mean what's that mean i don't

1262
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:39,839
know

1263
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:44,319
same thing

1264
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,920
uh but you know a lot of people just are

1265
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,560
trying to ignore stan what he was saying

1266
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,920
and you can quite frankly yeah

1267
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,760
he's right i mean there's a lot of weird

1268
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:55,680
stuff going on there that just doesn't

1269
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:56,240
ex

1270
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,000
people that are seeing

1271
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,359
it they're they're bona fide witnesses

1272
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,560
and i i really at the point now where i

1273
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,480
i just don't ignore anything i mean i

1274
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,480
will check into it and i will

1275
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,000
try to verify and there are a lot of

1276
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,599
things i get sometimes that just

1277
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,359
you know you know aren't true and you

1278
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,280
know you just throw it out but

1279
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,560
for the most part uh people

1280
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,240
believe they see something they try to

1281
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,000
explain and they want answers

1282
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,920
and that's what they called us you're

1283
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,680
right right right but you know i i

1284
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,000
always

1285
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,800
go back to even though it's classic

1286
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,720
who's throwing the rocks

1287
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:35,119
out of the woods now i i can tell you

1288
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,079
though one

1289
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:38,319
kind of funny story uh when linda and i

1290
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,200
were out uh

1291
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:41,200
a different trip up and uh up in the

1292
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,240
kettle

1293
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,359
and uh we thought why not just kind of

1294
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,920
shake a a small sapling and kind of show

1295
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,599
some aggression aggression like a

1296
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,880
gorilla

1297
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,720
so actually linda goes up to it and it's

1298
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,079
not that big of a sapling and

1299
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,920
she kind of shakes it for a real good

1300
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:58,240
shake and then she said hey you know why

1301
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,680
don't you give it a try

1302
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,040
you know you're you're bigger you're

1303
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,960
stronger just give it all you got

1304
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,760
so i'm there and i've got my hat on my

1305
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:07,200
sunglasses were on top of my head and

1306
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,680
i'm just

1307
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,079
shaking this thing like you know come on

1308
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,760
you see me out there

1309
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,880
and next thing i know because i'm

1310
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,319
looking down i don't want anything to

1311
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,680
fall on my face

1312
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,400
and uh all of a sudden my sunglasses

1313
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,000
fall down and i i'm still looking at

1314
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,599
them and i'm still shaking

1315
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,880
and all of a sudden i feel like this

1316
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,880
knot on it like on the side of my head

1317
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,680
and i stop and i get up and linda's you

1318
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,440
know out on the trail i walk over to her

1319
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:31,040
and i'm kind of rubbing my head and i'm

1320
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,839
like

1321
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,599
i don't i don't know i think i i felt

1322
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,280
like gilligan from gilligan's island

1323
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:37,040
like i shake the coconut loops or

1324
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,079
something

1325
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:40,800
and uh i mean it was it was really weird

1326
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,280
and

1327
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,200
um i noticed there was a pine cone on

1328
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,640
the ground where i was shaking and

1329
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,000
i walked over to it and picked the pine

1330
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,000
cone up the thing is the walk like

1331
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,599
there was no weight to it didn't weigh

1332
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,599
an ounce then i started noticing well

1333
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,359
this was a sapling it wasn't even a

1334
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,240
pine cone you know pine tree and all of

1335
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,520
a sudden i'm looking around and there's

1336
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,400
nothing on the ground

1337
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,200
i'm like what hit my head now my head

1338
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,400
hurt for the next

1339
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:06,079
four hours after that so the only thing

1340
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:06,800
i can

1341
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,800
result on possibly is it was

1342
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,839
a rock or a heavy object hit me when it

1343
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,280
did that i mean again there was no

1344
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,480
branches that fell

1345
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,160
nothing like that that fell out of the

1346
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,000
tree there was no bird nest with you

1347
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,599
know marble-sized

1348
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,760
you know eggs out of a nest nothing hit

1349
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,640
me like that

1350
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,079
um but again we never found a rock so we

1351
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,040
can only

1352
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,040
speculate well it wasn't a wheat until a

1353
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,400
week later

1354
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:35,200
uh when we and investigator uh sanjay

1355
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,000
singhal

1356
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,520
were actually walking into one of our

1357
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:39,040
areas um

1358
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,480
actually first time investigating with

1359
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,800
sanjay it was a really good time

1360
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,359
all of a sudden we're getting it sounded

1361
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,960
like acorns being

1362
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,200
dropped out of a tree except that they

1363
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,960
weren't falling down they were going

1364
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,240
through the trees

1365
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,520
so they were being curled and

1366
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,280
so we're walking a little bit longer and

1367
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,960
finally i got fed up with it i pick up a

1368
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,640
medium-sized rock and i

1369
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,160
i heave it back into the woods and it

1370
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,119
has hits a tree makes a nice sound and

1371
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,000
sanji is like hey that was good yeah

1372
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,280
watch now they're going to peg me

1373
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,559
because i threw the rock

1374
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,119
by the time i said rock a bunch of rocks

1375
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,599
came hurling right at my feet

1376
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,920
yes so you know what i mean we can sit

1377
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,400
here and try to say

1378
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,119
you know that you know there's a person

1379
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:24,800
out there who's following me around

1380
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:28,079
doing this is it possible i guess but i

1381
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,640
don't

1382
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,480
announce when i'm going where i'm doing

1383
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,240
my research so

1384
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:35,040
uh it's things like that who's throwing

1385
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,160
the rocks you know

1386
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,640
who's banging the trees who's doing

1387
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,559
these weird vocalizations that no

1388
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,599
known animal here in southeast wisconsin

1389
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,800
you know can pick up so

1390
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,640
this is the part where i say i'm not a

1391
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,839
crypto zoologist

1392
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:51,520
i'm a truthologist i'm going to get to

1393
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:54,640
the bottom of this i want to i'd like to

1394
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,319
like sean was saying i want to believe

1395
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,960
but i'm still not seeing it so i've got

1396
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,000
to be skeptical

1397
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,880
be open-minded and just keep approaching

1398
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,480
my research with you know

1399
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,400
the best intent of you know hunting the

1400
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,760
truth

1401
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,599
have you guys ever taken a clairvoyant

1402
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,040
out there with you

1403
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,079
uh i have not not not out there no

1404
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,599
i i was telling linda that a long time

1405
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,640
before i even never

1406
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,040
i never uh before i ever heard her talk

1407
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:24,640
about kettle marine

1408
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:28,160
i i used to get some really odd ufo

1409
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,599
reports out there

1410
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,920
oh yeah yeah i mean there were a lot of

1411
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,880
weird reports

1412
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:35,920
i mean actually craft in fact i had a

1413
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,920
landing a landing report from there oh

1414
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,400
god about 10 years ago

1415
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,280
and uh the guy even drew me a map i got

1416
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:46,800
to dig that map up

1417
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,200
and uh i was just wondering if you had

1418
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,640
ever taken

1419
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,559
kind of you know going on the fringe and

1420
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,559
taking uh

1421
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
taking a clairvoyant or intuitive out

1422
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,400
there and seeing what they can pick up

1423
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,440
yeah you know not not as of yet but my i

1424
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,960
don't think my research is going to stop

1425
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,599
anytime

1426
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:08,800
soon um because the few reports that i

1427
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,559
have been getting um i throw it out

1428
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:13,440
there as in

1429
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,680
reported you know at to uh wpi

1430
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:18,240
hudsontruth.com

1431
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:21,440
and it could be from anything from ghost

1432
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:25,200
uh ufos bigfoot and i've been getting

1433
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,079
tons of

1434
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:29,680
um some ghost uh you know reports um

1435
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,200
some ufos the triangular uh shaped

1436
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,240
uh ufos up here some orange

1437
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,800
uh fireballs that actually seem to be

1438
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,599
really bright

1439
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,079
stop and then actually change direction

1440
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,640
um on like a planning you know just a 90

1441
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,680
degree turn

1442
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,640
um you know and then again things like

1443
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:49,520
uh

1444
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,119
you know dogman um which again

1445
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,400
don't seem to be around the same area

1446
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,079
where you think it would be you know

1447
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,359
on good old bray road but because

1448
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:04,400
it is it's it's vast up here you know i

1449
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,119
mean it's

1450
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:07,920
it's incredible once you get out here

1451
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,319
it's

1452
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,920
you know if you're not in a car you are

1453
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,920
just it's vast

1454
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,839
that's all i can say you know i've spent

1455
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,559
i you know i document everything i do

1456
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,200
with all my reports um you know with

1457
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,960
documentation of uh

1458
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,040
any evidence uh who i've gone out with

1459
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,040
with the dates and the time

1460
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,119
and i was really shocked to see that i

1461
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,359
was actually out in 2015

1462
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,559
over 250 hours out of the field that's

1463
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:33,760
not even

1464
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,000
doing research um in my own spare time

1465
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,160
this is actually being out in the field

1466
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,680
it's like i don't want to

1467
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,119
i don't want to read about it i don't

1468
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,720
want to see a movie about it

1469
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,880
you know documentary about it i want to

1470
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,240
go out there i want to

1471
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,800
be out there and uh so that's been

1472
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,400
that's been my drive for the past three

1473
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,839
years right now

1474
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,599
well what what areas of the state you

1475
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,680
concentrating on what parts

1476
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,520
well i mean right now it'd be

1477
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,920
southeastern wisconsin i'm also taking

1478
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,040
any reports

1479
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,839
you know from northern illinois uh you

1480
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,119
know western

1481
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,680
um and same thing uh you know i've done

1482
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,800
some work out in

1483
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:15,440
la crosse which would be uh western

1484
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,400
wisconsin

1485
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,520
um but i'm also getting reports as uh

1486
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:22,079
you know going up to uh door county uh

1487
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:23,520
green bay

1488
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,119
and um iron mountain uh eagle waters

1489
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:28,960
michigan paulding

1490
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,720
where the appalling light is um so i

1491
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,720
you know i'm i'm kind of i don't want to

1492
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,240
say spread thin

1493
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,920
but i am and i'm but i'm taking reports

1494
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,480
wherever i can because i'm not going to

1495
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,640
just take these reports and do nothing

1496
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,520
with them

1497
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,440
um this is where i'd like to be able to

1498
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,720
share with somebody who's gonna be able

1499
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,920
to help me like linda

1500
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,680
you know contact her i i've actually had

1501
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,200
somebody up in uh

1502
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,000
uh the racine uh area where i've

1503
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,280
actually have what looks like

1504
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,920
it almost looks like the the biggest

1505
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,440
goat print

1506
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,920
or deer print or maybe bigger than an

1507
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
elk print with a deep impression

1508
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,160
where there's actually been some reports

1509
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,200
in the past of

1510
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,319
goat man up here so it's you know and

1511
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,359
i'm working with a few different

1512
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,559
researchers out

1513
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,040
here regarding that too but it's just

1514
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,000
it's all over the board

1515
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,440
well i know you've been into a few

1516
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,640
things i mean i i know you contacted me

1517
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,920
i don't know how long it's been you were

1518
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:27,839
talking about the pulling lights and

1519
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,599
yes you remember that yeah

1520
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,040
explain a little bit of what you

1521
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,040
experienced when you were up there

1522
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,640
well i'll tell you you know we were

1523
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,799
going up there um

1524
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,839
uh with uh aaron houdini a couple years

1525
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,640
ago

1526
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:45,040
and there's been so many people trying

1527
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,680
to

1528
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,720
debunk the paulding light uh and i don't

1529
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:49,520
know if you've ever

1530
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,030
there's a lot of reports that you get

1531
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,960
the vantage point and you can sit there

1532
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,319
and you see this

1533
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,799
light or orb just kind of you know get

1534
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,400
bigger looks like it's coming closer to

1535
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:05,680
you and it looks like it goes right over

1536
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,079
you

1537
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,839
couple times i've been up there

1538
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,160
what you're seeing is you know um

1539
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,319
headlights from almost seven miles

1540
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:18,000
away um we've actually gone on two

1541
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,359
two-way radios

1542
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,280
and had somebody go seven miles away

1543
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,880
with a green laser pen

1544
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,559
and we were able to see it seven miles

1545
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,319
away okay

1546
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,359
so we're thinking okay you know

1547
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,079
is it possible that you know we debunk

1548
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:33,119
the paulding light

1549
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,799
well it wasn't until the next day when

1550
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:39,520
somebody approached uh showed me a

1551
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,079
picture

1552
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,640
that they took off the trail cam and i

1553
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,680
think that's the one that i actually

1554
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,160
shared with you to get your input on it

1555
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,599
and it is the the bizarrous thing

1556
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:52,000
it's still unexplained that's all i can

1557
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,119
tell you right now and

1558
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,200
this has gone through some some really

1559
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:56,640
top channels too

1560
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:00,480
um but what is out there you know what i

1561
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,040
mean

1562
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,400
it's one of those things where you think

1563
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
you can debunk it and prove it but

1564
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,920
there it is all right i can't explain it

1565
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:09,599
i think there's a time fold out there

1566
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,160
somewhere

1567
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,240
really be honest with you yeah i mean

1568
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,880
you saw that picture i showed you

1569
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
the woman that was driving through there

1570
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:17,920
and the aliens showed up in their back

1571
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,400
back right right yeah i mean you know

1572
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,280
uh there's some weird stories well i'm

1573
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,880
gonna i'm gonna tell you one of my weird

1574
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:29,359
stories okay and it does have something

1575
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,000
to do with

1576
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,440
the elkhorn wisconsin area uh

1577
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,440
i do a lot of patrolling up there and

1578
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,240
believe me it's not called stalking

1579
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,280
it's patrolling i've got three dash cams

1580
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,720
in so many different directions they're

1581
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,400
running 24 7.

1582
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,400
you know i'm waiting to capture the holy

1583
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:48,960
grail of something but i haven't yet

1584
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:52,240
um and i'll drive you know moderately

1585
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,799
slow

1586
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,880
you know late friday night or saturday

1587
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,119
night or whatnot when i'm up there

1588
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,920
and uh i i was doing about maybe 15

1589
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,119
miles an hour

1590
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,400
now don't laugh at me because i don't

1591
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:04,720
tell a lot of people this story

1592
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:08,079
but i'm i'm driving and we're going

1593
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:09,680
right past the field

1594
00:57:14,589 --> 00:57:12,880
and i swear on anything

1595
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,599
that for a second i saw a

1596
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,160
two-dimensional

1597
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:19,760
it almost looked like a transparent

1598
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,000
drawing of a standing wolf

1599
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,240
with its arms bent in and its face

1600
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,400
looking up towards the sky

1601
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,680
for a second as a matter of fact i

1602
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:32,000
slammed on the brakes i was with uh you

1603
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,040
know another researcher

1604
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,640
at the time and of course there's

1605
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,960
nothing there so it's these things where

1606
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,400
it's like okay is it

1607
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,520
is it paradolia did my headlights hit up

1608
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,680
you know a telephone pole weird did i

1609
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,160
what did i see that doesn't happen

1610
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,640
it doesn't happen with me because as

1611
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,160
much as mulder's uh

1612
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:53,040
uh poster as i want to believe i'm still

1613
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,079
to question it

1614
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,160
and i still do but whatever it was

1615
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:58,079
scared the crap out of me for a second

1616
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,559
so

1617
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,319
but it but it wasn't there it was there

1618
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,799
for an instant

1619
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,319
i didn't explain that you know i

1620
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:06,000
wouldn't surprise me though i'd be quite

1621
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:07,280
honest with you

1622
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,359
uh over the years these

1623
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,319
even with bigfoot reports or upright

1624
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,599
candidate reports there have been

1625
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,720
instances where people just seen

1626
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,599
something

1627
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,920
similar to that it's just for an instant

1628
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:21,680
uh it's almost like you're looking into

1629
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,720
another

1630
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,319
you know you're looking beyond the veil

1631
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,880
just for a second or it's showing itself

1632
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,799
for a second and no that wouldn't

1633
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,240
surprise me at all i wouldn't

1634
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,559
yeah but but that's what i'm saying is

1635
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,240
we we can talk about it

1636
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,799
yeah i couldn't even tell my wife no

1637
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,400
it's kind of like

1638
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:41,599
stop doing what you're doing you're

1639
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,160
getting

1640
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,880
too far down the rabbit hole but you

1641
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,280
know

1642
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,760
it's things that i do take note of

1643
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:49,040
because um

1644
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,319
you know like i've always said we used

1645
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,720
to do a lot of ghost investigation in

1646
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,920
people's houses

1647
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,200
you know when researchers go out

1648
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,520
investigators go out to a house

1649
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,440
you already have a suggestive thought

1650
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,280
that there's a ghost there or something

1651
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,480
paranormal

1652
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,920
so you're already going in with that

1653
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:06,319
suggestive thought and then it's funny

1654
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,760
what the mind will do

1655
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,760
especially if we are like molders and we

1656
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:11,040
all want to believe if we want to

1657
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,920
believe

1658
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,599
there's a ghost you know when the fridge

1659
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,200
turns on at 3am

1660
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,119
it's gonna be a ghost or if something

1661
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,880
creeps around us and does a circle we're

1662
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:20,400
gonna think it's a bigfoot you know it's

1663
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,880
all

1664
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,160
suggestive thought however um

1665
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,960
you know i i try to go out there exactly

1666
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:28,319
with that intention saying okay i know

1667
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,880
what i'm doing

1668
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,119
out here be skeptical it's an

1669
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,640
uncontrolled environment

1670
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,640
and then boom when something comes up

1671
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,079
and it does come up

1672
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,319
then i'm already trying to dismiss it

1673
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,520
you know like

1674
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,720
did i really see a transparent wolf

1675
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:45,040
for i mean it literally was over seven

1676
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,000
feet tall i i

1677
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,799
remember seeing it so you know my am i

1678
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,000
losing my mind

1679
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,440
possibly you know or or maybe not but i

1680
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:55,680
do take note of those things

1681
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,720
so bizarre stuff

1682
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,880
yeah i was you know i was just looking

1683
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400
on on a map right now

1684
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:07,119
uh where the killer marine is i i just

1685
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:07,920
forgot

1686
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:11,040
where exactly it was and what port it

1687
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,520
was and

1688
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,680
yeah that that's a hot area in there

1689
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:15,440
yeah it seems that area right there

1690
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,079
around

1691
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:18,559
lake winnebago there there is a lot of

1692
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:19,839
weird stuff

1693
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,440
uh that happens around appleton down

1694
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:25,520
sheboygan i get a lot of reports around

1695
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:26,839
sheboygan

1696
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,559
uh for whatever reason i don't know why

1697
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,599
but i do uh i actually got one i don't

1698
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,400
know if you've got one in um

1699
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,440
uh it was actually in the uh jackson

1700
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,319
wisconsin um i don't know if you've ever

1701
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,280
heard of black river state forest

1702
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,319
um i actually had somebody contact me

1703
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,319
with something they didn't see anything

1704
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,200
but it was the sound it was the walk

1705
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,680
and of course because it's reported i

1706
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,200
keep everything confidential i'm not

1707
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,559
going to go out and blast

1708
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,400
their story because that's what i i tell

1709
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:02,960
them you know but at the same time

1710
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:06,079
i already have two other accounts just

1711
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,200
like the kettle moraine

1712
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,680
further north of exactly where they

1713
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,640
reported it

1714
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,280
you know like seven years ago so you

1715
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,799
know what i'm saying it's things like

1716
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,920
this

1717
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:18,000
that really kind of help us put the

1718
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,040
pieces together

1719
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,040
and of course when we network like this

1720
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,400
you know what i mean

1721
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,280
so it's definitely there's something out

1722
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,400
here i

1723
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,319
i don't want to say what it is you know

1724
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:29,680
what i mean i don't want to say

1725
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,359
dog man bigfoot you know ufos aliens

1726
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,559
little grays

1727
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,799
but at the same time if you read it

1728
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,160
between the lines

1729
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,200
this is what i do all right

1730
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,880
well let's go across the state a little

1731
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,240
bit by the mississippi

1732
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,640
and uh you know what i'm coming to la

1733
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:47,280
crosse

1734
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:50,559
uh what in the hell is going on out

1735
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,280
there i mean

1736
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,920
is it still happening are these guys

1737
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:55,440
still tearing up dead

1738
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,799
or is it yeah well you know like yeah as

1739
01:02:01,190 --> 01:02:00,559
you know you know usually uh and maybe

1740
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,200
we can

1741
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:04,240
briefly touch on it but

1742
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:11,670
i'm basically um part of uh

1743
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,039
the hidden truth uh documentary dvd

1744
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,760
uh about the ten lacrosse um college

1745
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:19,119
boys that have drowned

1746
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,880
since 1997 in different times but

1747
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,760
you know almost the same um you know

1748
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,039
high blood alcohol

1749
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,920
content um you know going out and

1750
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,680
partying with friends

1751
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,359
missing you know you know as soon as

1752
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:34,799
they leave

1753
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:38,319
um you know sometimes not found for

1754
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,520
several weeks later even though

1755
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,160
they rece you know they investigated

1756
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,760
along the mississippi river right in

1757
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:46,960
front of the cross

1758
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,839
and yet what do you know the victim

1759
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,599
shows up there

1760
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,799
so what's going on out there is

1761
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:57,280
again definitely a paranormal case

1762
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:58,720
because

1763
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,160
there is no answer for it yet um

1764
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,000
i'm sure you guys have heard uh david

1765
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:06,480
pilates missing 4-1-1

1766
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,920
um you know being being worldwide

1767
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,480
not just in lacrosse however you know of

1768
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,839
course lacrosse was

1769
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,440
um you know a place where we really

1770
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:17,119
wanted to focus because

1771
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:19,520
you know the the town was really kind of

1772
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,480
uh

1773
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:22,400
you know nobody wants to talk about it

1774
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,680
you know it's like a

1775
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:26,000
it's it's taboo to talk about you know

1776
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,039
it's it

1777
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:29,119
you know the official party line is that

1778
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,160
it was binge drinking

1779
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,640
and bad luck um but during my

1780
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,240
investigations you know we

1781
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,319
went right across the river a couple

1782
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:38,799
miles up north to uh winona

1783
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,760
uh minnesota and uh they have just as

1784
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,960
big as a party town

1785
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,520
in fact their their levy uh right on the

1786
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,000
mississippi is even more easy accessible

1787
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,680
to fallen and drone

1788
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,760
but yet there are no reports from there

1789
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,359
and that's just two miles up on the

1790
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,359
minnesota side so what's

1791
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,079
going on in lacrosse itself well that's

1792
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:59,520
what i it makes it's hard for me to

1793
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,359
understand because

1794
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,520
they're on lacrosse now there are some

1795
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:05,680
bars there are bars near the river there

1796
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,400
but

1797
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,880
yeah actually you got to go out a good

1798
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:10,799
bit to get out in the water

1799
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,520
especially if it's frozen yeah exactly

1800
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,960
and the thing is when we did our

1801
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,839
documentary

1802
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,720
we actually walked the steps of uh you

1803
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,559
know some of the victims um that

1804
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,640
were at whatever last bar and it's about

1805
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,000
a three block

1806
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,520
walk to a riverside park um

1807
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,440
but again you know a lot of people think

1808
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:30,640
all right well they're binge drinking

1809
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,039
they're

1810
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:33,440
you know it's kind of a downward slope

1811
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,240
so when they

1812
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:36,319
walk out of a bar you know the path of

1813
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,599
less resistance

1814
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,280
is going to be you know heading towards

1815
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,640
the mississippi

1816
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,680
well you know at the same time um like

1817
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:45,200
you were saying even if some of it was

1818
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,240
frozen

1819
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,760
um which was actually the first case

1820
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,599
back in 1997

1821
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,920
um you'd still have to walk so far out

1822
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:52,799
so

1823
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,000
you know if you're that intoxicated

1824
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,280
how are you even walking you know um

1825
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,359
so if you're not that intoxicated you

1826
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,280
still have some sort of

1827
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,640
self-ful self-aware you know you think

1828
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:09,039
uh different circumstances for each one

1829
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,480
of them though because

1830
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,720
uh you know one of one of the cases

1831
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,079
there was actually um

1832
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,280
a set of keys and the wall that left

1833
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:20,000
um out you know like an um on a little

1834
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,720
statue

1835
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,280
outside the mississippi almost as if

1836
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,680
this person wanted to

1837
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:28,000
you know get in the river for a second

1838
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,200
because he's going to come back because

1839
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:30,720
that's where he put his wallet and keys

1840
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,599
right

1841
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:34,319
yeah so it's weird things like that so

1842
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,760
it's yeah it's def that

1843
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:38,400
that's definitely uh an x-files case

1844
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:39,280
that's

1845
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:43,119
actually

1846
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:46,799
put out a dvd um uh neil sanders scott

1847
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,680
marcus and

1848
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:49,520
myself uh two years ago and it's

1849
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,720
available online

1850
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:53,200
it's it's yeah just it's a fascinating

1851
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:54,000
story

1852
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,599
i looked at it and of course you know

1853
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,520
you had me look at the case

1854
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:00,240
before that yeah and yeah it's pretty

1855
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:01,760
odd i mean

1856
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:05,440
the circumstances and how they happened

1857
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,359
and and what was behind it i mean it is

1858
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:11,119
it's just

1859
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,160
had my theories but i don't know

1860
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,200
you know you know you're 100

1861
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:21,039
right that's where the truthologist

1862
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,720
comes in right it's

1863
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:25,440
what is it you still don't know you know

1864
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,160
i mean

1865
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,000
there's a lot of people can come out and

1866
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,559
it's always going to be you know theory

1867
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:33,039
or their opinion theories speculation of

1868
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,400
what something is but

1869
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:36,799
where is the hardened proof you know

1870
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,520
what i mean

1871
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,000
and even so let's say i even saw it

1872
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,000
firsthand

1873
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,440
if i don't have the proof i'm only

1874
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:45,200
telling you a claim i'm only telling you

1875
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,319
a story

1876
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,640
yeah um so this is where the

1877
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,880
documentation is so important and it's

1878
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:52,160
also

1879
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,280
you know it's every time i go out i'm

1880
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,160
not seeing a ufo or a bigfoot or a ghost

1881
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,240
every time you know if there's something

1882
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,480
out there it could be an animal i will

1883
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,640
say it's unknown i'm not i'm not gonna

1884
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:08,160
go on the line and just say

1885
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,000
i'm a bigfooter and that's what i'm

1886
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,240
gonna do however i do think there is

1887
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,359
something out there that

1888
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:15,119
i've only told you the tip of the ice

1889
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,559
cream that's going on out there yeah i

1890
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,359
think something's going on but you know

1891
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,359
i think there's i personally think

1892
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:23,119
there's a connection with someone or

1893
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,559
something or some

1894
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,640
group or something but yeah i'm not

1895
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,319
gonna i'm not gonna expose anything

1896
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:29,520
right now

1897
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,359
you know you and i talked about it so i

1898
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:32,799
know i don't know

1899
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:35,599
anyway you know sticking with lacrosse

1900
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,480
now

1901
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,880
of course lacrosse is famous for the the

1902
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:39,520
man bat

1903
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:43,039
you know uh that was linda's case right

1904
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,480
as has any is that a lacrosse man back

1905
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,880
thing uh ever been seen since the

1906
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,160
original

1907
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,000
i think no and you know what actually

1908
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,079
what i'm you know and i mean who knows

1909
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,880
if if the man bat is something that

1910
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,799
looks like a sasquatch but its wings are

1911
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,280
folded up and back and it's not flying

1912
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,079
there still has been a lot of bigfoot

1913
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,680
sightings out there on the bluffs

1914
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,359
and you know and actually call them the

1915
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:09,359
water spirits out there

1916
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:12,079
with you know the whole chunk um the

1917
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:13,599
native americans out there

1918
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:16,960
um but as far as a flying man that not

1919
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:20,319
that i'm aware of again this this goes

1920
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,880
back to

1921
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,920
i'm hoping that people will report that

1922
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:25,120
i don't care if it's

1923
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:28,640
to me to linda to you i mean but just to

1924
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,199
get that

1925
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,279
out just so we can have that one more

1926
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,279
case documented because you're right

1927
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,759
i have not heard anything out lacrosse

1928
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,640
besides

1929
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,319
well the investigation we're doing about

1930
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,560
the the mysterious drownings

1931
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,759
a few bigfoot cases but other than that

1932
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,080
no other no other type of cryptid no

1933
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,000
yeah i've always wondered if

1934
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,960
anybody had ever seen anything after

1935
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,640
what she had reported the original

1936
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,759
sighting and when

1937
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:57,440
in 2006 right and if anything else had

1938
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,080
come up

1939
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,199
uh and quite frankly i it wasn't too

1940
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,239
long ago

1941
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,000
that i went back and started looking

1942
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:05,759
through old reports to see if anything

1943
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,279
similar that did show up

1944
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:09,120
in that area and i haven't seen anything

1945
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,319
so you know yeah

1946
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,080
yeah i mean it's just that's just an

1947
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,480
initial report

1948
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,400
exactly well you know that's what's what

1949
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:18,480
i'm anything that comes up

1950
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,839
um i do keep uh you you you abreast to

1951
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,960
it just like linda

1952
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,400
i'll send something over to her but

1953
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,000
she's always one step ahead of me no

1954
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:27,600
matter what that's that's the beauty of

1955
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:28,319
it

1956
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:32,239
she does know that's good that's what i

1957
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,520
love about linda she's

1958
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:35,759
she's on it um you know at the same time

1959
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:38,480
i also um you know networked with eric

1960
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,080
altman so you know we we have this big

1961
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,440
network of chain going and um

1962
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:48,239
that's that's the beauty of it i like i

1963
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,799
said

1964
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,239
you know i don't blog i don't write

1965
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,759
books i'm not gonna even you know make a

1966
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,719
movie on this

1967
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:55,040
but same time if i can help one person

1968
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,159
validate

1969
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,640
their their claims you know then i then

1970
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,560
i've done what i've set out to do

1971
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,080
i'm hunting the truth and i'm trying to

1972
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:03,760
help people so and

1973
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,760
and network so uh recently

1974
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:10,159
they had this uh phenomena out your way

1975
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,600
and you told me that you guys

1976
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:14,080
even heard it with this uh these ice

1977
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,199
quakes

1978
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:17,520
oh yeah can you explain that i think

1979
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,480
it's so fascinating

1980
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,080
yeah i mean you've never heard it well

1981
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:24,080
actually if you've ever been on a frozen

1982
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,199
lake right you know a big lake

1983
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:29,679
you know you hear that that ice pushing

1984
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,560
and cracking

1985
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,960
it's it almost sounds like gunshots

1986
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,679
going out

1987
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,560
i mean it really does um but in this

1988
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,320
case what they're talking about

1989
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,960
is kind of i don't want to say the

1990
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,719
continent or the state

1991
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,280
but a certain area that is compressing

1992
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,880
due to the cold

1993
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:49,199
you know from it um not expanding but

1994
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,560
compressing

1995
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,000
and it's almost where you kind of get

1996
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,080
that almost like

1997
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,360
earthquake plates you know shifting um

1998
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,360
and then you can actually just hear it

1999
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,360
rolling and i mean people can

2000
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,719
hear this and they have no idea where

2001
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:04,320
it's coming from it's almost like the

2002
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,280
sky quakes

2003
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:07,280
you know um you know when you're hearing

2004
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,320
these things but

2005
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,239
this is what you know the meteorologist

2006
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:11,920
will say you know the one that just

2007
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,480
happened

2008
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,280
what like a couple weeks ago was it

2009
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,840
trying to think what that was

2010
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:20,239
right but it's kind of you know it's

2011
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:21,520
basically um

2012
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:24,159
you know the cold you know everything

2013
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,360
compressing

2014
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:28,000
um into a certain area and that's what

2015
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,520
they said it did i i don't know

2016
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,880
they never said how big you know the the

2017
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,560
shift was or whatnot but

2018
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,880
it was kind of cool i mean we people

2019
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:38,640
have heard it as far down as kenosha

2020
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,600
county

2021
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,199
um and that was that's considerable

2022
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,280
distance from where it happened

2023
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:46,080
can you uh can you feel anything no yeah

2024
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,800
you know what i

2025
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:49,840
yeah i i never heard anybody said they

2026
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,880
they felt it but i would imagine that if

2027
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,360
you were

2028
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,679
closer by it probably the initial shock

2029
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,640
would probably

2030
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,880
send out kind of that the shock wave

2031
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,080
like a wave yeah

2032
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:02,159
or who knows i mean if it was directly

2033
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,760
underneath yeah i'm sure it would

2034
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,159
most likely pounce off your house yeah

2035
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,600
but again the further away

2036
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,760
the further you are away the more you're

2037
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,199
just going to kind of hear

2038
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,760
um more of a almost i don't want to say

2039
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,280
a sonic boom

2040
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,920
but it is almost like that's kind of you

2041
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,679
know it just keeps going

2042
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:22,480
that's weird yeah it's it is but it's

2043
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,520
cool because

2044
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,600
i as soon as i hear that it's like i'm

2045
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:26,960
driving over there to see what's going

2046
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,520
on

2047
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,920
it's kind of like uh back in 2011 with

2048
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,960
uh clintonville

2049
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,679
wisconsin the clintonville booms they

2050
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:34,960
kept experiencing

2051
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:38,000
things sounding like explosions under

2052
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,800
the ground

2053
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,960
which very well could have been fracking

2054
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:42,640
maybe i don't know

2055
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,640
yeah i remember uh maybe the winner of

2056
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:50,000
2012 the clintonville is that what it

2057
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:51,360
was that area around there where they

2058
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,239
were getting these

2059
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,440
big boom sounds yeah yeah actually uh i

2060
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,920
i caught a sound of it and it's actually

2061
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,280
on my youtube channel

2062
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,600
i posted several years ago you can you

2063
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,640
can hear it

2064
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,440
it's it's bizarre it's uh actually if

2065
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,880
you keep listening to because i loop it

2066
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,159
over and over and over

2067
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,080
it sounds like a t-rex from jurassic

2068
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,480
world or dressed up

2069
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,560
it does a lot of people think if that's

2070
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,239
what it sounds like but

2071
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,480
uh but it's it's incredible because

2072
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:20,000
nobody could figure it out and it was

2073
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:20,960
making national

2074
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:23,679
news of what the clintonville booms were

2075
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,400
you know i

2076
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,560
i had to go up there it was a you know

2077
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:27,679
six hour drive

2078
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,320
but i don't care i i just get in the car

2079
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,640
and do it

2080
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,560
well you know that upper your upper

2081
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:36,400
midwest including what michigan

2082
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:39,520
and even up into canada what

2083
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:42,480
i mean these booming these booming

2084
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:42,960
sounds

2085
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,159
seem to be kind of kind of common up in

2086
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,040
that area i

2087
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:49,440
i don't know what it's from i mean

2088
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,400
there's a lot of

2089
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,000
lot that have happened around detroit

2090
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:53,520
that people don't understand either i

2091
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,480
don't know is it

2092
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:57,120
because of the old salt mine the old

2093
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,600
salt

2094
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,840
caverns well the thing is what i always

2095
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,960
tell people to do

2096
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,239
i mean because a lot of times you're

2097
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:04,000
hearing this not feeling in the ground

2098
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,480
but

2099
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,480
hearing it in the sky and the first

2100
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:08,080
place i would tell people to look

2101
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,520
or look up and research is cern

2102
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:14,640
the hydro collider out in switzerland

2103
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,000
and research what that's doing okay

2104
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,040
now i'm sure you've heard of it yeah um

2105
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,880
do a little bit more digging and just

2106
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,640
keep digging and keep digging

2107
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,760
next thing you know you're gonna find

2108
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,480
out that and i don't know for

2109
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,800
certain just like bigfoot ufos or aliens

2110
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:31,760
but i

2111
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,480
tend to feel that um harp you know the

2112
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:35,760
heart project

2113
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:39,840
and cern is doing something

2114
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,120
you know within our uh

2115
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,280
within our weather you know and i i

2116
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,719
don't mean like you know the old get

2117
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,320
smart where you press the button and

2118
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,920
you're gonna make a tornado up here in

2119
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,360
kansas yeah

2120
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,880
you know we're just saying that it's

2121
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,679
causing phenomena other places because

2122
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,719
of what it's doing

2123
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,199
it is very well possible because these

2124
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:01,199
sky quakes did not really start picking

2125
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:01,920
up

2126
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:04,960
until i think about 2010 after

2127
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,719
cern fired the second time and each time

2128
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,080
that they're doing this they keep

2129
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:12,560
increasing the power and every time they

2130
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,440
do

2131
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:15,520
just start looking on youtube and and

2132
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:16,560
start uh

2133
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,600
uh searching strange sounds in the sky

2134
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,199
and you're gonna find out

2135
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,280
that they're happening just weeks ago

2136
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,280
you know after cern fired

2137
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,239
you know it can again you totally put

2138
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,760
those two together

2139
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,400
again no i'm not there and i don't know

2140
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,600
i'm not a

2141
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,880
anything like that

2142
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,520
but um i could tell you that these are

2143
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:40,800
just the kind of the pieces i

2144
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,080
i try to put together you know what

2145
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,159
what specifically are you working on now

2146
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,840
you got any specific projects you're

2147
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,120
working on

2148
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:52,080
uh no uh right while right now i am due

2149
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,640
i mean

2150
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:55,040
i continue my research up in the kettle

2151
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,679
um

2152
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,239
and that's big it's it's not really a

2153
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,679
project that's um

2154
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,280
you know gonna go mainstream i do have

2155
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,840
somebody following me around um

2156
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,760
documenting it so it could turn into a

2157
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,920
documentary but again this documentary

2158
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,440
will be more for

2159
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,640
um educational uh more for hunting the

2160
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,159
truth than it would be for

2161
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:16,000
putting it out there to sell or whatnot

2162
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,360
but uh basically

2163
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:20,000
that's it's how i keep busy is my

2164
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:21,440
research there because it's not just

2165
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,400
walking in the woods

2166
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,560
hoping to find a bigfoot it's walking

2167
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,080
into the woods trying to figure out

2168
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,000
what are these lights what are these red

2169
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:30,320
little beady eyes in the dark staring at

2170
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,440
me what were they

2171
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,040
i mean this these things happen to me

2172
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,120
out there um

2173
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,400
you know so it's that that that besides

2174
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:40,080
my two full-time jobs and my two young

2175
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,880
kids

2176
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,040
and you know my wife is enough to keep

2177
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,520
me busy without having any other pro

2178
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,239
i hear you there well you know i tell

2179
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,480
you if i ever ended up wisconsin for an

2180
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:52,159
extended period of time

2181
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,840
to do research i think the one thing

2182
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:55,920
that fascinates me more than anything up

2183
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,400
there

2184
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:58,239
besides the dog man the bigfoot and

2185
01:17:03,030 --> 01:16:59,440
everything else

2186
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:03,040
are all these old sightings

2187
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,040
years and years ago of lake monsters

2188
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,600
now i'm talking about the lake mendota

2189
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,800
monster

2190
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,480
there used to be they said there was one

2191
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,239
in rock lake

2192
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,760
uh pewaukee lake and in fact i had a

2193
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,280
report at milwaukee lake not

2194
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:22,560
long ago and uh

2195
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:26,320
koshkanan yellow lake um

2196
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,320
these are old reports and i mean i think

2197
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:33,199
there were from the 1920s and 1940s but

2198
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:33,679
as far

2199
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,600
back as like the 1800s right

2200
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:40,000
yeah i i you know i know there's a book

2201
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:41,280
written in the 40s

2202
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,880
what a big book uh it was put out by the

2203
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:47,440
wisconsin folklore society

2204
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:50,080
but it was titled sea serpents no though

2205
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,600
it was in lakes

2206
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,840
but they were talking about those lakes

2207
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:56,000
and a couple other ones including lake

2208
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,280
michigan

2209
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,320
i mean all these uh these

2210
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,640
lake monster sightings and i had knowing

2211
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,159
about this stuff

2212
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,159
you know i i didn't i hadn't even heard

2213
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:07,360
anything like that

2214
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:10,960
in in wisconsin i'm telling you you know

2215
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,840
we we're we're

2216
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:13,840
i think we're one of the overlooked

2217
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:16,640
states uh when i because i do i listen

2218
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,199
to

2219
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,640
and research um just about every cryptid

2220
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,760
that i can

2221
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,040
but it always seems that it's either

2222
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:25,760
michigan or you know ohio pennsylvania

2223
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,719
you know what i mean

2224
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,159
it's all over here and then it seems to

2225
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:29,920
go out to the west coast

2226
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,280
and i'm like you guys look in wisconsin

2227
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:36,480
there is more here than just cheese or

2228
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,280
bronze

2229
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,360
you know i was always fascinated with

2230
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:41,520
devil lake in that area there

2231
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:44,480
yeah but right now a lot just happened

2232
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,679
over that area but

2233
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:46,960
you know when i started reading about

2234
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,679
some of these other ones uh

2235
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,440
you know from back in the 1800s it's

2236
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,880
some pretty weird stuff

2237
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:55,360
and most of them are always most of them

2238
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,000
are always

2239
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,880
described like either a huge snake or a

2240
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,880
dragon like type of thing right

2241
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,800
yeah and not just similar to what you

2242
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:04,000
know like you have it

2243
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:08,719
you know loch ness or

2244
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,080
and you just never hear about them no

2245
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:14,480
i mean you don't and again i keep going

2246
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,360
back to

2247
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,199
and you know maybe that's wisconsin's

2248
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,440
fault for not reporting it

2249
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,199
you know i mean there's like there's

2250
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,120
good enough people that do

2251
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,920
but you know there's only so many

2252
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,360
researchers and

2253
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,120
uh you know people that are doing what

2254
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,960
we do uh

2255
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,960
that can only be in so many places and

2256
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,880
can only do so much

2257
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:36,640
uh but i would rather just take a load

2258
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:38,000
of reports

2259
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:40,880
and be able to hand these things off and

2260
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:41,440
let's say

2261
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:44,080
let's research into these and document

2262
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,719
them because

2263
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,199
i i have heard about the you know the

2264
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,120
sea creatures or the lake monsters up

2265
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:51,840
here um but you don't hear enough about

2266
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,239
them

2267
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:55,120
you know you don't hear much of anything

2268
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,560
it's basically uh

2269
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,360
beast debris road and a few bigfoot

2270
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:00,719
sightings and that's about it

2271
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:04,080
you know yeah yep afraid sir

2272
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:11,669
i'm still you know shaking about the

2273
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,550
i'm going to wisconsin

2274
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,149
i was there nobody heard me but we're

2275
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:21,840
there you were drinking and eating them

2276
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,320
huh

2277
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:24,320
i i tell you what man when i go to

2278
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,360
wisconsin

2279
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:27,280
and uh we hang out we got to get the

2280
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,199
best beer the best

2281
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:32,080
brats and the best cheese in wisconsin

2282
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,840
it's all right here it's all around me

2283
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,960
we got to make it

2284
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,800
i can't escape the cheese heads here see

2285
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,639
i'm i'm i'm definitely

2286
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:40,560
i'm a native guy he's not a packers fan

2287
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,679
he's a bears fan

2288
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,360
that's right i was born i was born in

2289
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,120
illinois i'm a chicago bears fan i'll

2290
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:46,880
admit it gotta stay true

2291
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:49,760
stay true exactly but it's uh it's

2292
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,480
definitely

2293
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,880
interesting i don't know what's um gonna

2294
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:53,760
be coming out

2295
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,040
for um you know for myself uh

2296
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,159
my group um you know

2297
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,280
in the future but you know i we we do

2298
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,280
uh still keep our ear to the uh the

2299
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:07,520
cross you know grindstone

2300
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,040
of the news that's coming out there um

2301
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,120
so that's always you know there could be

2302
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:14,719
definitely a follow-up with

2303
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,920
the hidden truth part two um

2304
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,120
we're definitely gonna be looking into

2305
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,960
more of this stuff here but as

2306
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:23,120
of right now it's just pretty much my

2307
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,560
research and

2308
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:26,159
trying to put the word out there to

2309
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,199
report it at wpihuntsthetruth.com

2310
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:32,080
um and that could even be just it could

2311
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,719
it could be

2312
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:34,960
from anywhere but you know if it's

2313
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,280
around wisconsin illinois

2314
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,159
minnesota michigan you know these are

2315
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,239
the areas that i can

2316
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,880
easily get access to you know i mean i'd

2317
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:46,480
love to come out by you guys too

2318
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:49,679
so i heard a rumor you might be out this

2319
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,480
way

2320
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:53,440
oh you heard correctly actually in may

2321
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,080
i'm going to be

2322
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,400
you know is it uh uh western

2323
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,560
pennsylvania yep

2324
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,320
are you gonna be there i'm gonna try my

2325
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,639
best a lot going on at that time there's

2326
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,719
so many conferences and events happening

2327
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,320
i know but you know what i'm gonna be

2328
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:08,159
there so you gotta be there yeah i know

2329
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:09,679
so i'm gonna i i gotta at least make a

2330
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:12,159
day a day visit down to see what's going

2331
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,480
on there oh how far away

2332
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,159
everything gets scheduled in this in the

2333
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,480
spring you know it's

2334
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,920
i don't know you're right i mean it

2335
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:21,199
seems like everything is scheduled in

2336
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,920
the spring

2337
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:23,920
depending on where the actual location

2338
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:25,760
is jam about four hours away

2339
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,960
okay pennsylvania's a big state people

2340
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,120
you know i'm right smack dab in the

2341
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:33,199
north uh in the north central part of

2342
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:34,560
the state so it's four hours to

2343
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,440
pittsburgh

2344
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,560
about three and a half hours to

2345
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:38,800
pittsburgh three and a half hours to

2346
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,000
uh philadelphia in about what three

2347
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,840
hours do you lawn

2348
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,600
about four hours about four hours do so

2349
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,440
like i have to travel a while to get

2350
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,120
anywhere stuff's happening

2351
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,280
exactly so it better be worth it but

2352
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,880
yeah i i know i meant

2353
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:55,040
uh definitely i'm really excited about

2354
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,159
this uh this

2355
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,360
workshop camp and just honestly to get

2356
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:01,440
out of wisconsin i love it don't get me

2357
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,920
wrong

2358
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,440
i mean i don't like the cheeseheads but

2359
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,440
i mean i do but you know

2360
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:07,040
just to get out of here research

2361
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,800
somewhere different especially a place

2362
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:10,480
like pennsylvania i'm really excited

2363
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:10,880
about

2364
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,280
uh you know putting that under my belt

2365
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,960
too

2366
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,800
yeah pennsylvania ought to run a

2367
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:19,199
campaign on their paranormal activity

2368
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:20,880
they had like paranormal pa

2369
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,760
some sort of uh yeah they got to figure

2370
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,520
that out in a marketing campaign

2371
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,480
yeah i'm able to do that you know that'd

2372
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:29,920
be good

2373
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:32,719
well any final thoughts lon oh i'm just

2374
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,679
gonna tell jay i'm

2375
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,440
i'm getting i'm going to move back up pa

2376
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:36,960
in the middle of the year

2377
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:41,199
yes coming back home great

2378
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,830
no i don't think i have anything else to

2379
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,400
say you left lawn speechless jay

2380
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,960
hey you know what i'll oh i just want to

2381
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,120
say i appreciate you guys having me on

2382
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880
and listen to me babble because i know i

2383
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:58,400
can babble with the best of them that's

2384
01:24:03,590 --> 01:23:58,960
good stuff

2385
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,600
and i think our listeners are going to

2386
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,360
really appreciate that and folks

2387
01:24:08,910 --> 01:24:06,800
you know as always if you didn't listen

2388
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:08,920
to us live you can catch the archive

2389
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,679
arcaneradio.com click on archives

2390
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,920
uh we'll have the show posted and

2391
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:15,280
probably tomorrow afternoon

2392
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:16,320
unless i have to do a little bit of

2393
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,760
editing but tomorrow afternoon it should

2394
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,800
be posted

2395
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,719
and you can always email us at info

2396
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:22,880
arcane radio dot com stop over and see

2397
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,120
lawn at phantomsandmonsters.com

2398
01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:27,199
keep tr keep track of what's going on

2399
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,280
with me and what i'm doing at

2400
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,679
theforkchop.net and

2401
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,280
jay one more time let the folks know how

2402
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,719
they can get a hold of you

2403
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:34,480
yeah they can get a hold of me um you

2404
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,840
can go to my website

2405
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,480
wpihuntsthetruth.com

2406
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,880
um also from there everybody's on

2407
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,679
facebook

2408
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,520
you can also look up you know under

2409
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,760
facebook wpi hunts the truth

2410
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,679
um like the page actually that's where i

2411
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,280
post uh

2412
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,600
you know any evidence or any suitable

2413
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,520
evidence

2414
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,960
you know just to be able to track to see

2415
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,960
what i'm doing but definitely take a

2416
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:58,080
look uh bookmark

2417
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:59,679
the website because i do keep that

2418
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,840
updated and it's a pretty cool website

2419
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:04,080
because i designed it and i maintain it

2420
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:10,229
but but definitely keep it there um you

2421
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,360
know and

2422
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:14,000
you know i'll tell anybody out there yes

2423
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:14,400
my

2424
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,800
truth dot com

2425
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:20,320
or report it to whoever you feel

2426
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,159
comfortable with someone like lon

2427
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,199
linda eric anybody just

2428
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:27,600
report it that's that's it we all kind

2429
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:28,639
of network

2430
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:31,280
uh like this and this is this is what we

2431
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:32,320
do try to

2432
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,159
try to hunt the truth that's right

2433
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:37,440
if you want it really taken care of

2434
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,480
really quickly get a hold of lawn

2435
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,239
right exactly long jumps on it man let

2436
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,400
me tell you he did something he's like

2437
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,920
i got it he's like right on he's like

2438
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:47,520
hey sean check this out

2439
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:50,560
and you're drunk man it is it thought is

2440
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:50,800
it

2441
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,560
happen

2442
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,880
it didn't but it's going to check it out

2443
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,480
i feel this is going to happen here

2444
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,639
anytime i got to bust along balls every

2445
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,760
once in a while

2446
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,440
love to be connected with this guy lod's

2447
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,600
got uh he really does he he's had his

2448
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,639
pulse you know

2449
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,239
it was no coincidence when i called him

2450
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,080
the pulse of the paranormal because he

2451
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,639
literally is the pulse of the paranormal

2452
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:18,880
i think i called you that in gettysburg

2453
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:26,950
because they were calling him the

2454
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,320
godfather paranormal and uh you called

2455
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,960
me the poop of paranoia

2456
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,440
yeah i love it i love it well folks

2457
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,400
you've been listening to the arcane

2458
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:38,400
radio sean fork or launch strickler

2459
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:41,679
catch us next week with our guest brett

2460
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,760
oldham and uh what are we talking about

2461
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,320
this is an abductee and oh okay so it's

2462
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,520
gonna get serious rich

2463
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:51,280
he's actually a couple books eating his

2464
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,800
wife and uh

2465
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:53,679
i don't know if she's going to be

2466
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,080
joining us or not but he um

2467
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:58,159
he is going to be joining us and i'm

2468
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:59,679
quite sure he's going to be talking

2469
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,239
about

2470
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:02,159
some of his experiences interesting so

2471
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,520
next week it gets a little wild and

2472
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,360
weird here in arcane radio we talk about

2473
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,760
alien abductions again with brett oldham